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	<title>Comments on: Portland Tops Best Gay Ghetto List for 2008</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  I think its really dumb for them to be doing something like this!  Isn't the point of gay activism to be able to integrate into larger society?  I know it would be much harder to measure but wouldn't it be more responsible to provide a list of best places for gay people to make straight friends?

2.  As a resident (soon-to-be former resident) of Chicago, I'd like to note that while the city has a thriving bar scene, it also rates very low on the percentage of same-sex partner households when compared to other major cities, even some not known as gay meccas.  In the 30 years I've lived in Chicago, I've found that the community has an overaundant share of ghetto bar queens who can't settle down  in a relationship.  On querying the geographical origin of gay folks in Chicago, one is struck by how many come from small cities in the Midwest.  I theorize that people there have lots of internalized homophobia preventing them from integrating with the general community and forming partnerships.  My theory is that this is less true in the Red States because (1) prejudice against gays is more open and so gay people learn it is irrational at an early age and (2) less of the population consists of Catholics.  The Catholic church messes gay people who grow up in it more than conserrvative Protestants do because it seems to be harder for them to leave its guilt-inducing ideas behind.

It would be also interesting to see how various cities score on internalized homophobia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  I think its really dumb for them to be doing something like this!  Isn&#8217;t the point of gay activism to be able to integrate into larger society?  I know it would be much harder to measure but wouldn&#8217;t it be more responsible to provide a list of best places for gay people to make straight friends?</p>
<p>2.  As a resident (soon-to-be former resident) of Chicago, I&#8217;d like to note that while the city has a thriving bar scene, it also rates very low on the percentage of same-sex partner households when compared to other major cities, even some not known as gay meccas.  In the 30 years I&#8217;ve lived in Chicago, I&#8217;ve found that the community has an overaundant share of ghetto bar queens who can&#8217;t settle down  in a relationship.  On querying the geographical origin of gay folks in Chicago, one is struck by how many come from small cities in the Midwest.  I theorize that people there have lots of internalized homophobia preventing them from integrating with the general community and forming partnerships.  My theory is that this is less true in the Red States because (1) prejudice against gays is more open and so gay people learn it is irrational at an early age and (2) less of the population consists of Catholics.  The Catholic church messes gay people who grow up in it more than conserrvative Protestants do because it seems to be harder for them to leave its guilt-inducing ideas behind.</p>
<p>It would be also interesting to see how various cities score on internalized homophobia.</p>
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		<title>By: QueenZafrona</title>
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		<dc:creator>QueenZafrona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This list sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This list sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry guys but Short Hills, NJ and Metuchen, NJ are over 15 miles apart and have nothing to do with each other.  I suspect you probably meant Short Hills/Millburn since Short Hills is technically part of Millburn, and it's Millburn's downtown area you are describing. 

But frankly, the neighboring town, Maplewood, has a much bigger and more vibrant gay community, and even if it's not quite as fancy and expensive a town as Short Hills it's much more friendly and less pretentious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry guys but Short Hills, NJ and Metuchen, NJ are over 15 miles apart and have nothing to do with each other.  I suspect you probably meant Short Hills/Millburn since Short Hills is technically part of Millburn, and it&#8217;s Millburn&#8217;s downtown area you are describing. </p>
<p>But frankly, the neighboring town, Maplewood, has a much bigger and more vibrant gay community, and even if it&#8217;s not quite as fancy and expensive a town as Short Hills it&#8217;s much more friendly and less pretentious.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Mathias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments everyone. I found this list through the gay news network and kind of questioned it myself, and I really think that your comments are better than the article! I have to confess that I added the part about us electing an openly gay mayor. 

Jay...your comments about the Burnside Triangle are "spot-on." I recently heard that McMenamins will be moving into the former Silverado-Club Portland building, after we were all told that Silverado moved and CP closed because the building was being torn down. Perhaps this intrepid reporter will attempt to get to the bottom (hee hee) of that. 

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments everyone. I found this list through the gay news network and kind of questioned it myself, and I really think that your comments are better than the article! I have to confess that I added the part about us electing an openly gay mayor. </p>
<p>Jay&#8230;your comments about the Burnside Triangle are &#8220;spot-on.&#8221; I recently heard that McMenamins will be moving into the former Silverado-Club Portland building, after we were all told that Silverado moved and CP closed because the building was being torn down. Perhaps this intrepid reporter will attempt to get to the bottom (hee hee) of that. </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Digory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Digory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously the list is made from various factors and the stability of housing prices is one of them. In contrast to most US cities Portland and Atlanta have both weathered the housing crisis with little trouble. Also, the term "ghetto" seems to be applied to each city as a whole and not specific areas within it, which is a little confusing. 

I live in Portland, and they really don't know much about our city. The "Burnside Triangle" they mention actually followed the development of the Pearl district and not vice versa and the Pearl district's development was YEARS later than the gentrification of the Northwest neighborhood. They have it all backwards. Further, the development of these areas lead directly to the closing of 3 long established gay bars and their relocation to another part of town. It was all MUCH more of a gay district before. 

I don't think that they have any actual data to support their statement that Hawthorne has the biggest concentration of lesbians "on the continent". I always thought Olympia, Washington held that honor. 

We did, however,  just elect an opening gay mayor and his sexuality was never an issue in election. Portland is an awesome city, with a huge gay population and virtually no straight vs. gay problems, but this article didn't really list any of the correct reasons aside from gay mayor and good housing market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the list is made from various factors and the stability of housing prices is one of them. In contrast to most US cities Portland and Atlanta have both weathered the housing crisis with little trouble. Also, the term &#8220;ghetto&#8221; seems to be applied to each city as a whole and not specific areas within it, which is a little confusing. </p>
<p>I live in Portland, and they really don&#8217;t know much about our city. The &#8220;Burnside Triangle&#8221; they mention actually followed the development of the Pearl district and not vice versa and the Pearl district&#8217;s development was YEARS later than the gentrification of the Northwest neighborhood. They have it all backwards. Further, the development of these areas lead directly to the closing of 3 long established gay bars and their relocation to another part of town. It was all MUCH more of a gay district before. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that they have any actual data to support their statement that Hawthorne has the biggest concentration of lesbians &#8220;on the continent&#8221;. I always thought Olympia, Washington held that honor. </p>
<p>We did, however,  just elect an opening gay mayor and his sexuality was never an issue in election. Portland is an awesome city, with a huge gay population and virtually no straight vs. gay problems, but this article didn&#8217;t really list any of the correct reasons aside from gay mayor and good housing market.</p>
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